Your torrenting past affecting your future pt3

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Normally othersna brought this issue a bit more to the attention of everyone with his previous blogs and maybe we weren't all that clear anymore since he left us, perhaps it's needed to clarify one of our rules.

Recently with the T-I.com leak people are again wondering which places they can safely use and which not, and if visiting some other forums might have consequences here on TPS. Well yes, visiting the wrong forums does affect your account here, if you are already a member here or not. We check every application with a team of staffers and especially look at your torrenting past. Alot of members make it through but alot of them don't. One of the reasons people can't join is there torrenting past on other forums, and also the fact if they answer questions about it honestly. When people tell us they aren't on any other torrent related forums and we find them being there they don't make it through the application. When people are honest about it we look at their activity and how they used that forum. We do this not to harrass people but to make sure members of TPS don't face any surprises when they should invite a friend from here to their favorite tracker.

But it's not all that simple and that's also the reason we don't have a black&white rule on it. Alot of forums are out there, and altough for most of them it's pretty clear they allow shady deals there are also others that are 100% safe and some others that are in a grey area. We could make a list of forums that are or aren't accepted by trackers but it's impossible to do since new forums are born daily, other forums change their ways and foreign forums are hard to check out (we do it but it takes alot of time). We are aware people ask questions about the safety of other forums they frequent and on how it could affect their TPS membership in the future.

The most important thing is you tell us about your other memberships on your application. When we discover some things later which you didn't tell us right away it's pretty hard for us to just let it pass. We also expect our members to stop visiting the forums that operate in a grey area but ofcourse you can visit the safe ones as much as you want. Now how do you know the forum is good or not? If they have a trading/selling section they are bad for sure and if you're active in those you don't belong here and will get banned for sure. If they allow GA's of whatever kind to trackers that specifically forbid that they are also bad. If people on there pm you daily asking for tracker invites then it clearly is shady. If they are safe on all of that but change their approach and start allowing stuff stop using it immediately. Many forums can easily be browsed without logging in like the most used TI ones, logging in means to us you still participate in some way which can be active on the forum itself or through pm's there. Ofcourse we can't go checking every single post or pm people put there so be aware even when you just log in it's already raising suspicion.

We don't go throwing the ban hammer around with for example this latest db-leak from T-I.com but we would like to remind you it is not a safe place to be active on. Not only the many db-leaks should be a warning for you but also the fact some trackers will ban you for being there, and that could be of influence to other TPS members you invite somewhere or get invited by. It's pretty normal for new guys in the torrenting world to start their experience on such forums, from the moment you arrive here we strongly believe those shady forums have nothing extra to offer or as said you can browse them without logging in.

You can read part 1 and part 2 if you like, when you're new here it can be of guidance to you.
 
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I'm somewhat surprised that we haven't seen attacks based on shady messageboard memberships used in personal conflicts. Most of these invite boards are public and have open registrations. So if I'd dislike someone (let's take pWned pWned as example, or maybe unikboss unikboss .. I really hate his taste in transgender prostitutes), I'd register an account at one of these invite boards, and blatantly obvious try to buy accounts or something like that. Then I'll make sure tracker stuff knows it and wham, .. probably a lot of his accounts get banned.

Thanks for keeping us safe from traders, staff! <3
 
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I'd register an account at one of these invite boards, and blatantly obvious try to buy accounts or something like that. Then I'll make sure tracker stuff knows it and wham, .. probably a lot of his accounts get banned.
You can try if you think we blindly go by some username but I think you might end up getting screwed instead of the one you are targetting...
 
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You can try if you think we blindly go by some username but I think you might end up getting screwed instead of the one you are targetting...
I'm convinced that TPS staff is thorough. There are definitely trackers where I'm not that convinced.
 
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We don't go throwing the ban hammer around with for example this latest db-leak from T-I.com
Why not?

I understand that it's difficult to go through all that but some users may deserve to get banned over their shady activities, and frankly it would be nice to know that TPS users are a little bit safer than before to invite & recruit.

Whether you do it or not, I'll be using these leaks to find dishonest invitees.
 
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Why not?

I understand that it's difficult to go through all that but some users may deserve to get banned over their shady activities, and frankly it would be nice to know that TPS users are a little bit safer than before to invite & recruit.

Whether you do it or not, I'll be using these leaks to find dishonest invitees.
You can easily match people who use the same username and email as mostly the more honest people do. Try to link the bad apples with total random usernames and emails browsing through VPN's, those are the ones you want out, most of the 1st group probably already left that forum. And again: it's not just being there but alot depends on activity.

But good luck on your hunt! ;)
 
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Honesty and activity are the most important things in torrenting.

I'm somewhat surprised that we haven't seen attacks based on shady messageboard memberships used in personal conflicts. Most of these invite boards are public and have open registrations. So if I'd dislike someone (let's take pWned pWned as example, or maybe unikboss unikboss .. I really hate his taste in transgender prostitutes), I'd register an account at one of these invite boards, and blatantly obvious try to buy accounts or something like that. Then I'll make sure tracker stuff knows it and wham, .. probably a lot of his accounts get banned.
A little bit of investigation and communication from people with power would give you away as a fake. If the people with power are able to talk to the faker you're not going to be able to produce evidence of who you are on the fly like the real person could. I like to think some questions are asked and a little bit of common sense is used before someone gets banned everywhere.
 
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or maybe
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unikboss unikboss .. I really hate his taste in transgender prostitutes

Once you go tranny, everything else is uncanny...... :p
 
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Simply matching usernames isn't enough in my opinion. A lot of times I try to use a username and it's already taken by someone else. Now the email address on the other hand makes more sense. What about people that may have had an account there years ago but stopped once they realized it was a "bad forum"? Should they now be shunned even if they stopped using it? This type of thing should only be used when you can reliably verify a bad user, otherwise you're just alienating good users.

Infiltrating these types of forums and banning the users who send paid invites are the most effective way to weed these people out.
 
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What about people that may have had an account there years ago but stopped once they realized it was a "bad forum"? Should they now be shunned even if they stopped using it? This type of thing should only be used when you can reliably verify a bad user, otherwise you're just alienating good users.
This is easy. You just need to uncover the "last log" or "last activity" and see if the user is still active in said forum/community. I don't think respectable trackers or TPS would go ban a user just because they happen to see "User X" on T-I and TPS for that fact alone.

I don't think it's a 100% guaranteed method - after all nothing is perfect - but yet again if the user is in good faith and got banned unfairly, they probably can sort this out.
 
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I really dont see why it would be all that difficult to make a list of the biggest offending sites for us here. Sure new forums pop up all the time but are they really all going to be successful and become huge trading/selling hubs?
The already established forums that are visible up on the first 2-3 pages of google when you search "torrent invite" should be more than enough too start a rudimentary list and the members can contribute to it afterward.

Considering we have all kinds of lists going on the site, one more about sites to avoid should be pretty simple to maintain for us. There's no reason to have any ambiguity about a pirating issue as important as this.
 
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I really dont see why it would be all that difficult to make a list of the biggest offending sites for us here. Sure new forums pop up all the time but are they really all going to be successful and become huge trading/selling hubs?
The already established forums that are visible up on the first 2-3 pages of google when you search "torrent invite" should be more than enough too start a rudimentary list and the members can contribute to it afterward.

Considering we have all kinds of lists going on the site, one more about sites to avoid should be pretty simple to maintain for us. There's no reason to have any ambiguity about a pirating issue as important as this.
So make a list of all the sites so that somebody from here can post it somewhere else. Then the people that want to buy accounts can find everything by clicking one link after doing a Google search. Ya sounds like a great idea.
 
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I really dont see why it would be all that difficult to make a list of the biggest offending sites for us here. Sure new forums pop up all the time but are they really all going to be successful and become huge trading/selling hubs?
The already established forums that are visible up on the first 2-3 pages of google when you search "torrent invite" should be more than enough too start a rudimentary list and the members can contribute to it afterward.

Considering we have all kinds of lists going on the site, one more about sites to avoid should be pretty simple to maintain for us. There's no reason to have any ambiguity about a pirating issue as important as this.
It is pretty easy to tell just by visiting such sites. Unfortunately for people looking to get into private trackers, they are the first ones that pop up in a google search. Worse, many don't allow accounts to be deleted.
 
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So make a list of all the sites so that somebody from here can post it somewhere else. Then the people that want to buy accounts can find everything by clicking one link after doing a Google search. Ya sounds like a great idea.
Googling "private tracker invite" will get you to places where you can buy them anyway. The shady sites are already at the top of the search page. The list isnt about giving people a resource they dont even need, its about warning new and otherwise ignorant users what is and isnt acceptable in the private tracker world. If the first hit on google is our leaked list of forums that states users will be banned if they are found out to be a member there and given legit alternatives like TPS instead of jumping straight into TI.org, maybe staff wouldnt have to spend as much time chasing down those accounts and developing an us vs them mentality they then apply to all users. The chronic traders/buyers that tracker staff keep having to ban over and over dont need a list so by all means leak it. Hell, imo it should be a blog entry so non members can see it too.

Not that anything will ever dethrone TI.org as the first hit when googling for invites anyway.
 
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Googling "private tracker invite" will get you to places where you can buy them anyway. The shady sites are already at the top of the search page. The list isnt about giving people a resource they dont even need, its about warning new and otherwise ignorant users what is and isnt acceptable in the private tracker world. If the first hit on google is our leaked list of forums that states users will be banned if they are found out to be a member there and given legit alternatives like TPS instead of jumping straight into TI.org, maybe staff wouldnt have to spend as much time chasing down those accounts and developing an us vs them mentality they then apply to all users. The chronic traders/buyers that tracker staff keep having to ban over and over dont need a list so by all means leak it. Hell, imo it should be a blog entry so non members can see it too.

Not that anything will ever dethrone TI.org as the first hit when googling for invites anyway.
The fact that it is already easy for somebody to find a place to buy an account does not mean we should collect all the known locations to make it even easier for them.
Most of those ignorant users don't care even after you tell them buying an account will get them banned. They want the tracker without the work involved. You have no idea how many people I have had this conversation with on IRC. It's all about instant gratification.
 
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Anyone that has an account here knows better. Anyone that doesn't have an account here can't benefit from information posted here.
Also, you need to already be an active member of the private tracker community to join here.
 
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Anyone that has an account here knows better. Anyone that doesn't have an account here can't benefit from information posted here.
Also, you need to already be an active member of the private tracker community to join here.
blog posts are public you goober, you can see them without an account
 
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I didn't know that, I didn't check out the site before applying.
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blog posts are public you goober, you can see them without an account
And how old are you to uses 'goober'
 
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I didn't know that, I didn't check out the site before applying.
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And how old are you to uses 'goober'
I think he was trying to be funny don't ya know
 
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I think he was trying to be funny don't ya know
Of course he was, but I was thinking how many years it has been since I've heard the word 'goober'.
 
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