Your Torrenting Past Affecting Your Future Pt 2: Handling Invites

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I wonder if making a list of sites that allow people that are new to private BT scene would be worth while for those trying to get in. Its a bit of a risk for sites to do that, but I do know some will allow a brand new person with no prior history on to their site as a trial.

However making a post listing them could certainly be open to misuse. The other option is joining IRC, like here at TPS. Get to know people, ask advice on how to go about getting into some sites etc. IRC is much nicer to discuss these things, as its kind of fleeting data. Sure people keep logs, but its not stuff that is "publicly" visible. Especially when you talk to some one 1 on 1 in IRC. As in private chats.
I'll happily add new comers, and those early on their PT career into Lztr for example, since I put a lot of effort into checking up on them, answering questions, playing the mentor so to speak. Only catch is, they need a genuine interest in the content.
 
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Every one has to start from somewhere :book:
I agree. Yet starting by trying to get access via Invite Forums or bought invites is not just a bad path and a bad idea - it's a horrible path and a horrible idea.

I have been using a mixture of Usenet, One-Click-Hosters and public trackers for the majority of the last years. It worked out somewhat okay, but in generally it was difficult to find stuff that's not scene or recently released. That's when I decided to research if there were any other options - that's how I stumbled upon private trackers and that's when I made the discovery that private communities still exist. I read up on stuff, read through subreddits, read through invite forums and tried to learn about the necessary stuff you needed to know. I learned what trackers are hard to get into and I immediately knew that I would have to put in some work to get where I wanted to go. But never, ever, not a single second the thought occurred to buy an invite. I was at absolutely ground-zero. I had no connections or nothing. And even I didn't think about buying invites back then, so .. why should anybody do that?

I just checked my mail archive. The first automated mail I received from my seedbox was in January, which basically means I'm into private trackers for less than a year. I started with some trackers that were open at that moment (Luckily, Empornium was open-registration back then. Even though I don't really watch porn it was a good way of building a 'reputable' profile to show that I know how to seed stuff properly.), then I looked for trackers that had an application-process. When I wrote the application (Ironically, TPS was the only application that really scared me. Because I felt I was not 'elite' enough.) I put some effort in it - and I was completely honest. I didn't tell them to 'give access pl0x I gud seeder'. I told them stuff about my motivation (Animebytes for example - I told them that I'm not really that into Anime, there are two or three Shonen I like, but that I'm mostly applying because I want to be able to feed my then-girlfriend's addiction. And even though I'm not the most perfect candidate they still let me in.), stuff I could help with or made a joke. Believe it or not, recruiters and application-readers are actually happy to read stuff that differs from their daily garbage.

I participated in the communities of the trackers. I idled in the IRC-channels and tried to be active when I found time. I invested ten minutes a day to read the news and blogposts. Wrote a comment here and there, rated a movie. Made sure people got to knew my digital face. And eventually people trusted me and invited me to one of the 'big' trackers. And from there on I worked again. Learned a little bit about uploading (I literally have no idea about this stuff. But a little, little, little bit of effort was enough to learn the basics.) and encoding. Participated .. and the cycle repeated itself. Now I'm basically in every place I wanted to be when I first made a list of trackers I wanted to join.

Sure, there was some luck involved. And sure, it required work. But it's absolutely doable, even for somebody who knows nothing and starts from the bottom. So please folks. Think before burning yourself!
 

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Just to add onto this - you do need to check the specific wording of the tracker's rules before offering invites. Recently a TPS member offered invites to a site whose rules stated "Trading and selling invites is strictly prohibited, as is offering them in public - this includes on any forum which is not a class-restricted section on an invitation-only torrent site.". They were banned for breaching the invites rule. I confirmed with their staff that it is because TPS is not a torrent tracker, so it's important to check exactly what the rule says, not what you think it says.
The wording here should really be changed. We're definitely a torrent site (we're a bittorrent community, we're just not a tracker). But you're right, he should have asked whether it's okay.

The tracker in question was BaconBits, and following this incident someone in IRC immediately pointed out the stupidity of banning TPS members, when anyone with 600 Reddit Karma can join. It's their tracker obviously, if they don't want TPS members that's their prerogative. But from the quality of applicants I see applying to TPS from Reddit, we have a userbase of an infinitely better quality than Reddit does. Just thought that might bear some mention.
 

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The tracker in question was BaconBits, and following this incident someone in IRC immediately pointed out the stupidity of banning TPS members, when anyone with 300 Reddit Karma can join.
Without trying to nitpick your posting - isn't it 600 Karma? Or did they lower it.

I remember experimenting with Reddit a while back since I played with the thought of using BB as jumping-point for other trackers. I created an account, posted witty comments in popular subreddits for a week and had the karma. Which made me somewhat uncomfortable back then.
 

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I didn't tell them to 'give access pl0x I gud seeder'.

Believe it or not, recruiters and application-readers are actually happy to read stuff that differs from their daily garbage.
Have you been peeking at our applications...LOL. Lost count how many times I see that in an app. Come on people, throw some jokes in, or a story, I want to be entertained. Going through applications is like watching paint dry. I often see an app that makes me chuckle, and I shove an approve on the app. But better keep this in perspective. Community bases site want to see some text in an app, cause you know we like to "commune" a lot. For large serious trackers, they may frown on seeing a wall of text in their apps. Not sure to be honest, but I bet almost all smaller sites that have apps, would love to see some interesting stuff in an application.
 

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I put "jokes" in mine but I doubt anyone laughed.
/me waits while dakka goes and checks :D
LOL...i had to track that app down. You actually didnt make it to the voting stage, which is how we accept apps. Someone spotted you and just invited you. That happens sometimes, we see a well known person make an app, and we are all like...lolz, he dont need no app, could have just asked and we'd of invited u. But I do remember that app now...it was indeed entertaining.

Yes I enjoy reading even bad jokes! I did laugh cause they were so lame...lol
 

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I agree. Yet starting by trying to get access via Invite Forums or bought invites is not just a bad path and a bad idea - it's a horrible path and a horrible idea.

Sure, there was some luck involved. And sure, it required work. But it's absolutely doable, even for somebody who knows nothing and starts from the bottom. So please folks. Think before burning yourself!
Well It depends :) What I can say is that :) Just be nice and the staffers will be nice to you.
@Betrayed helped me when I got my ass kicked all over the place. :).

It was some years back when I was relatively new. Now no longer part of any community :p. Enjoying my retired bt life hehe
 
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Have you been peeking at our applications...LOL. Lost count how many times I see that in an app. Come on people, throw some jokes in, or a story, I want to be entertained. Going through applications is like watching paint dry. I often see an app that makes me chuckle, and I shove an approve on the app. But better keep this in perspective. Community bases site want to see some text in an app, cause you know we like to "commune" a lot. For large serious trackers, they may frown on seeing a wall of text in their apps. Not sure to be honest, but I bet almost all smaller sites that have apps, would love to see some interesting stuff in an application.
Agree with this when it comes to applying for TPS. All too often I see this = instant rejection.

How did you learn of TPS?

Google

What do you know about TPS?

Not much

(apps like that make me want to just scream)

On the other hand there was a guy who didn't have much experience in the torrent world but he said he had a pHD in high-energy particle physics. That was so "out of the box" that was a major plus in getting me to invite him. (The rest of his application was generally good as well.)

RE: guy here getting banned for offering invite to BaconBits. I hope he doesn't show up on any kind of list or now has a "past" with trackers because of this. I don't put what he did in the same category as an open giveaway on T-I.com as members here at least make an effort to know their inviters and invitees.

Now if BaconBits rules says you can offer an invite on a class-restricted forum on a private torrent site, well... our invite section is class-restricted and we are a private torrent site. The wording did not say PRIVATE TRACKER. So I tend to be on the side of the member here.
 
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RE: guy here getting banned for offering invite to BaconBits. I hope he doesn't show up on any kind of list or now has a "past" with trackers because of this. I don't put what he did in the same category as an open giveaway on T-I.com as members here at least make an effort to know their inviters and invitees.

Now if BaconBits rules says you can offer an invite on a class-restricted forum on a private torrent site, well... our invite section is class-restricted and we are a private torrent site. The wording did not say PRIVATE TRACKER. So I tend to be on the side of the member here.
I agree othersna othersna . He was following the rules as they were written, but obviously there was implied meaning that he wasn't aware of. Either that or baconbits doesn't understand TPS very well.
 
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RE: guy here getting banned for offering invite to BaconBits. I hope he doesn't show up on any kind of list or now has a "past" with trackers because of this.
I won't give any specifics in 'public' like this, but if a member does something which brings them to tracker staff's attention, wider ranging questions may be asked which can have consequences.

That aside, I feel that bB staff are within their right to say what goes on their tracker, even if I think the rule could have been spelled out differently. Now that they are on the NML there's no room for differences in interpretation.
 

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As far as what BaconBits did with his account - well, "their tracker their rules" applies, but that would really be a bummer if now he might get banned at another tracker because of this issue. (I used to think being put on "the list" was for the most egregious behavior like trading/selling/cheating, but that may not be the case.
 
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I have to admit, I was resistant to TPS for quite some time. No matter what any one told me, as soon as I heard "BT forums" I assumed invite site. Doesnt matter what anyone said. Took a lot of people to convince me to even check it out...sorry but true. So while I think my past actions were stupid, unfortunately I can relate.
 
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As far as what BaconBits did with his account - well, "their tracker their rules" applies, but that would really be a bummer if now he might get banned at another tracker because of this issue. (I used to think being put on "the list" was for the most egregious behavior like trading/selling/cheating, but that may not be the case.
then do something :) about it.
 

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Reason why are there so much badly written applications because of instant gratification especially amongst younger generations.

They are baffled with concept that they have to actually put some effort in this whole "BT private scene". They don't understand why are you aren't letting them join tracker so they can download stuff they need (not want, need). God forbid to bother with concepts like long time seeding, ratio and reputation. Why cant they join E****/P***** right away, that is what they want, not some WCD. Why they have to learn something about encoding, Google said FLAC is best, what is this bitrate and log (cue) files? And they have to take interview ? What is this, job appication?

Beacuse everything is about them.
 

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Reason why are there so much badly written applications because of instant gratification especially amongst younger generations.

They are baffled with concept that they have to actually put some effort in this whole "BT private scene". They don't understand why are you aren't letting them join tracker so they can download stuff they need (not want, need). God forbid to bother with concepts like long time seeding, ratio and reputation. Why cant they join E****/P***** right away, that is what they want, not some WCD. Why they have to learn something about encoding, Google said FLAC is best, what is this bitrate and log (cue) files? And they have to take interview ? What is this, job appication?

Beacuse everything is about them.
:) you are a deep thinker. But is BT that worth of a time? Just saying.
 

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:) you are a deep thinker. But is BT that worth of a time? Just saying.
Well depends what BT means to you. Sure, you can treat BT as simple means to download stuff, just like FTP servers, one-click-upload services, web sites with download links etc. You don't have to get involved with community itself.

But private scene trackers are actually trying to make a community. They don't just want to be place where you download stuff, they want to have active forums, active chat channels, they want to have discussions about their life, passions, interests. They want to form bonds with people with whom they share interests.

At this point, i treat private BT scene as hobby. As with any hobby, you can go easy or you can go hardcore. Ex. i treat my boardgames as hobby and i don't ever plan to go above 50 boardgames, at same time there are people with 10.000+ boardgames. It all depends what kind of effort are you willing to put in.
 

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Well depends what BT means to you. Sure, you can treat BT as simple means to download stuff, just like FTP servers, one-click-upload services, web sites with download links etc. You don't have to get involved with community itself.

But private scene trackers are actually trying to make a community. They don't just want to be place where you download stuff, they want to have active forums, active chat channels, they want to have discussions about their life, passions, interests. They want to form bonds with people with whom they share interests.

At this point, i treat private BT scene as hobby. As with any hobby, you can go easy or you can go hardcore. Ex. i treat my boardgames as hobby and i don't ever plan to go above 50 boardgames, at same time there are people with 10.000+ boardgames. It all depends what kind of effort are you willing to put in.
:) hehe, for how many years you are torrenting sir(Private)
 
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