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Most of what I think on the topic has already been said in here, one sad fact I'd like to add though.

It's true that managing a site is basically a huge pain in the ass, and to some extent it is also true that your average somewhat known site is beleaguered by what we call "bad" users. Thing is though, a lot of these "bad" users are "created" in exactly the scenario described in the OP here.

I do sympathize with everyone that has the pain-in-the-ass task of managing site/user security, but then again, I have often made the example of people Google'ing "how get private tracker" myself. That's just what happens. If the first impression these people get of private trackers is that of elitism paired with incompetence (and make no mistake, what OP encountered is gross incompetence), then it's no surprise when they turn around and think it's okay to rape private BT trackers. "Do unto others....."

If I walk into something humble and innocent, and all in a sudden everyone treats me like a jerk, well guess what? I'll switch into jerk mode.

Unless a moderate, amenable and efficient balance is struck between the security needs of our communities and the way we receive new additions to these communities, we will be part of the problem. We can't keep crying foul over the seemingly never-ending masses of bad users when a lot of them were created by our sometimes outright hostile attitudes towards anyone not fitting the perfect cookie cutter of what we deem a "good" user.
 

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Usually when you sign up to a new tracker, you have to check the box "I will read the Rules and the FAQ". All this stuff is normally covered in there. Some of the sites even tell you to read these BEFORE you sign up. I don't see how an extra warning would help. If someone's not going to read the rules, then they are probably not going to acknowledge that warning.
how many people are reading EULA before clicking next ;)
 

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Thing is though, a lot of these "bad" users are "created" in exactly the scenario described in the OP here.
This is a good point, and I'd just like to point out that the exact opposite can happen as well. There are plenty of great torrent users nowadays who got their start through invite forums. This may be the anomaly, but it doesn't mean it can't happen. I'm sure there are a fair few users on here who have accessed these forums in past and I think it's safe to say we're all competent users. I'll admit that I got my first and second trackers through an invite forum, they were both shitty general trackers but it was from there I was able to branch out and expand my horizons through the proper channels.
 
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The problem I see is that people are so ignorant about this, that they sometimes post in forums on those trackers recommending other members try out those invite forums.
 

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Most of what I think on the topic has already been said in here, one sad fact I'd like to add though.

It's true that managing a site is basically a huge pain in the ass, and to some extent it is also true that your average somewhat known site is beleaguered by what we call "bad" users. Thing is though, a lot of these "bad" users are "created" in exactly the scenario described in the OP here.

I do sympathize with everyone that has the pain-in-the-ass task of managing site/user security, but then again, I have often made the example of people Google'ing "how get private tracker" myself. That's just what happens. If the first impression these people get of private trackers is that of elitism paired with incompetence (and make no mistake, what OP encountered is gross incompetence), then it's no surprise when they turn around and think it's okay to rape private BT trackers. "Do unto others....."

If I walk into something humble and innocent, and all in a sudden everyone treats me like a jerk, well guess what? I'll switch into jerk mode.

Unless a moderate, amenable and efficient balance is struck between the security needs of our communities and the way we receive new additions to these communities, we will be part of the problem. We can't keep crying foul over the seemingly never-ending masses of bad users when a lot of them were created by our sometimes outright hostile attitudes towards anyone not fitting the perfect cookie cutter of what we deem a "good" user.

is there a way to hit agree twice??

right on mate. well said.. close the thread after that one!!
 

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This is a good point, and I'd just like to point out that the exact opposite can happen as well. There are plenty of great torrent users nowadays who got their start through invite forums. This may be the anomaly, but it doesn't mean it can't happen. I'm sure there are a fair few users on here who have accessed these forums in past and I think it's safe to say we're all competent users. I'll admit that I got my first and second trackers through an invite forum, they were both shitty general trackers but it was from there I was able to branch out and expand my horizons through the proper channels.
I got my first 2 or 3 trackers on an invite giveaway forum. Fortunately it was one that didn't allow buying, selling or trading so I was never able to get myself into tracker purgatory. I eventually found out about the What.CD interview and after that I joined almost all of my trackers through recruitment threads in tracker forums.
 

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Thank you for your story! I wonder how big this industry is? Are there people who make a living of selling invites? If yes how many? I checked some of those forums out and realised the invites are actually pretty cheap in comparison for how many years it took me to climb the ladder.
 

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Giving exact numbers seems impossible to me, but I'd say it's pretty big. Just google search something along the lines of what I did a few posts back, and you'll come across numerous websites, of which the majority have been painstakingly designed to convince impressionable novice torrenters to buy their stuff; this indicates to me there is a rather large number of people looking for it, and it's not THAT surprising either given that TPB and KAT lost heaps of contents and were in the spotlights for a while, probably still are.

And you're right - invites ARE relatively cheap, hence why they're attractive. Except the top tier trackers perhaps, but then again, some peeps might buy them, there's always some rich dudes out there who won't mind and have the mindset of 'more expensive means better' I certainly used to have that tendency, so it just takes few of those guys to buy one and the sellers are focusing on that more and more again too. I'd like to burn these shops to the floor, and set the sellers running.
 
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I really enjoyed reading your story. My introduction to private trackers is very similar to yours. I started out on public trackers about two years ago without any problems, then I started to get a lot of viruses and malware problems on my computer so I started to search for other filesharing options and came across private trackers. I also have gone onto invite forums and purchased, swapped invites. I haven't been banned from any trackers yet... but I have learned to stay away from those sites and gain invites to other trackers the right way :). If there's one thing I've learned since being on private trackers is that tracker staff is stern but fair...in most cases
 

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I really enjoyed reading your story. My introduction to private trackers is very similar to yours. I started out on public trackers about two years ago without any problems, then I started to get a lot of viruses and malware problems on my computer so I started to search for other filesharing options and came across private trackers. I also have gone onto invite forums and purchased, swapped invites. I haven't been banned from any trackers yet... but I have learned to stay away from those sites and gain invites to other trackers the right way :). If there's one thing I've learned since being on private trackers is that tracker staff is stern but fair...in most cases
My email was still registered in one of those inviteplaces when I got found out and handed the inlogname + password to the tracker staff who found out. They wanted to take over the TI account and made me promise never to login again.

If this or something similar has happened to you, or happens, ensure that the account gets disabled, deleted, or the email changed, or change your email. I didn't do that and it has cost me dearly, and possibly others too. Tracker staff usually can be trusted, but given your history, take this into consideration. I'm not joking around here!
 

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The TI account that I had is under a different email and I haven't logged in in months. For all I know it is probably disabled. I just hope my previous activities don't come back to haunt me
 

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The TI account that I had is under a different email and I haven't logged in in months. For all I know it is probably disabled. I just hope my previous activities don't come back to haunt me
In that case it's probably OK. I was stupid enough not to, and yeah, it's still following me.
What they told me at TI is to use different names every where as well, but the opposite is considered better practice. Just a tip :)
 

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I also have gone onto invite forums and purchased, swapped invites. I haven't been banned from any trackers yet...
I just hope my previous activities don't come back to haunt me
That's part of the problem, people hoping for things just to go away and quietly disappear. You know you violated rules on trackers so you have options: come clean and inform them, or wait until someone will find out...

♫ Take a chance while you still got the choice ♫
 
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That's part of the problem, people hoping for things just to go away and quietly disappear. You know you violated rules on trackers so you have options: come clean and inform them, or wait until someone will find out...

♫ Take a chance while you still got the choice ♫
I guess honesty is the best policy, and your right I do violate there rules by doing what I did on TI.

All that left to do now is come clean and hope they show me mercy and if not I can't blame anyone but myself.
 

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If you have been involved in IRC support on a large tracker you will understand that you hear every excuse in the book. Some stories are fantastic and really seem the truth, but 99% of the time they are just good liars. Those trackers are under fire from ant-p2p sorts, and when they get onto your site it can very well destroy the tracker. Things like your payment methods get revoked or disabled, users get letters to cough up money or get sued etc. So first sign of bullshit from a suspect is to ban, kick, next... Yea don't have time to spend with dozens sometimes 2-5 times that number in a day!

Small tracker staffer Dakka
Yea heard this all before, been involved in bad user hunting in large trackers for years, now I am on small site, but I can still smell your bullshit. BUT I have time, I mean don't get many of these so I can spend the time to do my due diligence. Starter of this post even passed my scrutiny as well as the kinds of eyes I can sick on people. It all came out, and I verified the story with a few tiny corrections along the way. Yea ok I believe this fella, and I did my homework which took days in some cases, so I will let him in, no invites for now....

Dakka the pirate
Who the hell reads all the rules and the FAQ when they first join somewhere? (yea ok I do, but thats besides the point). If we did an instant poll, I guarantee more than half of you don't do that. As a pirate I want to get my shit for free. Yes I want to steal it, but I don't want to put anyone out of pocket (yea I am good pirate, have my own ethical code u see). When I was inducted into the private tracker scene (thats how I will describe how I got in here for now), I felt like I had entered an adult candy store. I wanted it all, but I was told I had to play by the rules. If i saw these rules publicized everywhere I would have thought its a trap, or they will get busted soon since it is illegal for most.

Rules, authority, yea not so good with those sorts of things. I probably shouldn't even be a staffer cause I hate authority and their rules. BUT I saw the rules were there for protecting us, to keep our little dark secrets on the internetz secret from those that want to do us harm or take away our candy stores. After that I simply read the rules of each tracker and made sure I didn't break them. Not hard to adhere to these rules after all. I can see how some get suckered into the wrong end of torrenting though, but publicizing private tracker rules in public basically blows all attempts at remaining secret and secure from BT nazis.

I don't have an answer, I think most will go down the path of buying, find out its wrong and not the way, then try again the right way using a new alias. My advise if you are a buyer. Stop now, throw away whatever identity you used and never visit those places again. Start fresh, get into a community like this one, and build up your reputation. All great things require a little time and effort. Once your in 1 place legitimately, then you can get in elsewhere so long as u spend the time to be part of the community.

PS Sorry for my overly long post, I hope not too much of it was shit.
 

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So after admitting my wrong doing by purchasing invites and pleading my case on their irc channels. 3 out 4 trackers banned me. The fourth tracker was very understanding and allowed me my account on condition that I swore to never use those kinds of invite forums again. I have no hard feelings against the trackers that banned me, in a way it was kind of nice to get it out in the open and come clean :)
 

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So after admitting my wrong doing by purchasing invites and pleading my case on their irc channels. 3 out 4 trackers banned me. The fourth tracker was very understanding and allowed me my account on condition that I swore to never use those kinds of invite forums again. I have no hard feelings against the trackers that banned me, in a way it was kind of nice to get it out in the open and come clean :)
I hear ya. It sucks, but after hitting rock bottom, there's only one way to go; skywards. Soar high brethren :D

Our situation is remarkably similar, for me the total also amounted up to 4 trackers. One out of four has now allowed me back in, the second seems to do so (let me re-apply), the 3rd one I've yet to receive news from and number four, I really dunno what to expect from that. But like you said, it's best to have a clean slate, that way it's safest for everyone, especially you and in the future you won't have to fret about an eventual ban.
 
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I hear ya. It sucks, but after hitting rock bottom, there's only one way to go; skywards. Soar high brethren :D

Our situation is remarkably similar, for me the total also amounted up to 4 trackers. One out of four has now allowed me back in, the second seems to do so (let me re-apply), the 3rd one I've yet to receive news from and number four, I really dunno what to expect from that. But like you said, it's best to have a clean slate, that way it's safest for everyone, especially you and in the future you won't have to fret about an eventual ban.
I was pretty surprised that the one tracker even let me keep my account. The other three were actually pretty understanding, but out of respect for there members they couldn't, in good faith, let me keep the accounts. That's pretty crazy that you also had 4 trackers, must be some kind of coincidence :)
 
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