Is the private tracker community facing an existential threat?

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#21
Most trackers let us use a VPN or proxy as long as the IP is unique to us. I use to only browse trackers behind a VPN and downloaded only to a seedbox or VPN. It is actually significantly cheaper to make your own unique VPN with a private IP with bandwidth and as fast as a Gbps (or maxing out your home connection). Sometimes less than a few bucks a month. Private trackers behind a VPN would be the safest way to torrent. Would there be any demand on instructions on how to do this?
WCD didn't allow this during interviews.
 
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WCD didn't allow this during interviews.
Yea, I had the same issue with ScienceHD initially as well. Damn people with brains. I told them it was for work purposes and they said it would be ok, they just wanted to exercise caution. I can say during interviews this is probably going to encounter some resistance. Otherwise, I personally can approximate a 2.5% chance that a tracker might bring it up at least according to my personal experience with that one encounter. I, however, never used one while being interviewed. I still feel safer not giving the feds my IP address if I can avoid it. Admittedly, convenience lately has won over OPSEC, but I may revert to my old ways.
 
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Would there be any demand on instructions on how to do this?
While I have my own working setup, you appear to be an extremely knowledgeable person with respect to cryptocurrencies, OPSEC, and other IT related matters, so I'm certainly interested in your particular configuration.
 
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While I have my own working setup, you appear to be an extremely knowledgeable person with respect to cryptocurrencies, OPSEC, and other IT related matters, so I'm certainly interested in your particular configuration.
Well, I may just have to make such a topic/instruction set in order to allow others to make their own cheap tracker friendly VPN and proxy. Even if something you may or may not already practice, it could be of interest to others?
 
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Well, I may just have to make such a topic/instruction set in order to allow others to make their own cheap tracker friendly VPN and proxy. Even if something you may or may not already practice, it could be of interest to others?
Interest here. I always like to see how other people have theirs setup and love to learn a thing or two. I'd say do it if you have the extra time!
 
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#26
Seizures have always been a fact of life in this game
Nothing more to add to that.

Just as the mentioned games get harder to crack, they will be cracked. And just as people increase their efforts to stay anonymous, copyright holders will also evolve and find a way around it. Everything can be traced, us torrenters aren't just worth the time and cost to do so, otherwise it would have happened already.
On top of that every single country has it's own complex laws about piracy, privacy, ISP's, IP's, and so on they can hardly figure it out themselves. Every day our Cortana posts about the Dutch anti-piracy group BREIN, but mostly they just reach settlements with people who want to avoid court. If you look up how many court cases BREIN actually has lost you can easily say they just work intimidating, no more.
It would be interesting to learn more from for example pjcnet pjcnet , how those things are being approached for hosting a tracker, what the actual charges are, if other staffers/members get involved, and how easy/difficult it is to either go for a settlement or go to court.
 
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Every day our Cortana posts about the Dutch anti-piracy group BREIN, but mostly they just reach settlements with people who want to avoid court. If you look up how many court cases BREIN actually has lost you can easily say they just work intimidating, no more.
And there are now arguably more seedboxes, particularly fast ones, in the Netherlands (eg Leaseweb) than anywhere else, right under the noses of BREIN.:D
 
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Well, I may just have to make such a topic/instruction set in order to allow others to make their own cheap tracker friendly VPN and proxy. Even if something you may or may not already practice, it could be of interest to others?
I would be interested, I only forward my ports and I don't use a VPN or proxy, I need to learn the correlation between connectivity with private trackers and proxy and VPN usage.

On the topic of piracy and the law. This shit will never end. We will evolve and they will too. We might not be using .torrent technology, but we will be here, the community, we will share just like today or in the days of TheBigRedH and FTP transfers.

We just have to be ready to do the time, if we do the crime. As users we are at a lower risk, however risk has always been part of this game.
 
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Piracy as a whole is nothing but like minded people sharing their ideas and resources. Let me give a small example, I purchased a Blu Ray retail set of the Sleepers movie (I got a pay hike which like happens once in a decade so can dish out some dough for some discs). Sadly my friend who is in some other part of the world do not have access to the Blu Ray retail set so he asks me like can I share it, I say "Well f***ing yes". As the old saying goes, whack a mole until your tired or until you realize that you have been a dumb-f*** all this while.

The community is here to stay, nothing can with hold a society and its freedom for long, history proves this.
 
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Well as you say, these were actions that were carried out along the years ...
It could only be a matter of time until the wipe hammer comes into play in several other trackers, as who knows... Similar actions are in progress for trackers such as, GGN, PTP, HDBits, etc...

I actually find a bit of reasoning behind it, to go after users in the future as well. But I guess that law enforcement feels that closing the sites down, could be more effective in the long term. Now if we are talking about major effort consolidation and cooperation between several agencies... We might be looking at a very grim future for private trackers.
 
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I'll be changing IP addresses in a few days, maybe its time to start using my seedbox's free VPN service.

Anyway, even before any of this happened there was loads of people on this forum claiming that there would eventually be a sort of apocalypse for the private tracker world. I'm not I agree with that, but if they're right then recent events could certainly be thought of as the beginning of that.

However, I'd also remind people of the Sony leaks, which confirmed that bittorrent as whole was no longer a high priority in the MPAA's fight against piracy, much less the <1% of bittorrent traffic that makes up the private tracker world. Filelockers and illegal streaming sites are much bigger issues at present.

I think what it comes down to is that BCG was 1) hosted in the wrong country and 2) was struck down by the previous sysop using the site for money laundering. For What.CD it simply got too big and too visable, with near-annual mentions in the news and little attempt to stay out of the spotlight. This is a pretty atypical approach for a private tracker, most trackers actively shun publicity and will refuse to grow their userbase beyond a certain point. I'd say IPTorrents is very likely to face LE problems at some point, and moving into non-bt private piracy sites I doubt Aaaaarg will last forever, but I think the majority of private trackers right now are probably gonna be fine.
 
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Well, I may just have to make such a topic/instruction set in order to allow others to make their own cheap tracker friendly VPN and proxy. Even if something you may or may not already practice, it could be of interest to others?
Lots of interest here.
Please do so, pretty sure it can help a lot of people and even if only to get new ideas to others that already do it to a certain extent.
 
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:jeep::pirate2do0::jackhat:Pirates will always surface and if you take it down another on will rise li haidra with seven heads long live pirates .
 
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I think it's just unfortunate timing that WCD and BCG went down around the same time. Its already been mentioned by Phantasia Phantasia but I'm sure efforts are already in progress to take down other prominent private trackers such as PTP, GGN, and BTN.

BCG was the only well known tracker in recent times to successfully get taken down by authorities. To me, this means the security precautions being taken by the majority of trackers are at least enough to make taking them down a challenge. Good security combined with the low populations will hopefully still keep authorities from bothering to make the effort to take down trackers in the future
 
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#35
What got big, got comfortable. Music trackers, also, have historically been targeted, with Oink, since Napster and scene before it.

BCG is a sad story, with all the ingredients of a bad time: UK jurisdiction, paypal, and hardware seizures, at the end of a 2+ year investigation.

These are certainly not isolated developments, but private trackers have always evolved and this time is no different. Things learned include the existence of multi-year investigations, likely with moles about. And that estimated losses are explicitly calculated, so trackers can use this to their advantage to fly under the proverbial radar.
 
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#36
Let's all start burning CDs and sending them in the mail again!

If nothing else, hopefully from these the recent unfortunate events OPSEC will go to the next level. Not only with BCG and WCD being reminders, even more recently with NoS being compromised, owners of trackers will hopefully crank up security and take it even more seriously. If the vetting process of accepting new members is good (of course there will always be mistakes), I hope that what Argonaut Argonaut was saying about being able to use VPNs with a static IP will be more accepted and put tracker staff's minds at ease.
 
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I hope that what Argonaut Argonaut was saying about being able to use VPNs with a static IP will be more accepted and put tracker staff's minds at ease.
I've felt it's an ignorant rule since I first got into this.. Especially after sitting in the What waiting room for 10-12 hours only to make it 2 questions in and them not allow me because of me VPN through seedbox w/ static..

Question that made me fail?
"Can you please send us a link to your hosting provider and the plan they sell for your area?"
Other than that getting pretty personal, I was screwed.. Pretty sure datacenters did not have local interwebz packages, but i checked anyways. Nope... lol


I really really hope using a VPN will become the standard or if nothing else it should be brought up as a serious discussion with tracker staff.
 
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#38
It is amazing how What.CD was cut off but immediately following 3 + sites opened to fill its place. The content will take a while to build back up but it won't go away for good.
 
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#39
I think piracy/private tracker will persist for at least 30 years. Afterward, it depends on the state of affair then, i.e., how important privacy is then.
 
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It took long enough (about 2 years IIRC) for law enforcement to seize one of WCD's servers, and the tracker staff were smart enough to purge user's information. I'm completely confident that my user info is safe, and even if that, I know how to protect my information and not incriminate myself. When you're doing illegal things, you have to know the consequences and how you can protect yourself against those.
 
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