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53 weeks ago I decided broken DDL links & public trackers weren't good enough anymore, so I took a look around to find something else. I stumbled upon this thing of ours & luckily AlphaRatio had open registration. Sweet. I started googling for better trackers, the ways to access them, & what it'd take for me to survive there. Prior to this I had no clue about maintaining a ratio or what a seedbox even was. The learning curve wasn't so steep, but I will admit I'm disappointed by one thing: the "community" aspect of it all.

Don't get me wrong, there are some great people who chill in the irc channels & on various message boards I sift through sometimes. However, there is a pretty strong sense of ego in the communities that I've become a part of. When I first started learning about private trackers I saw that buying & trading invites created a hierarchy of trackers. Their perceived value influenced their market, but it also reflects back into this though not always for the same purpose. I don't mean that people who are in the upper echelon of trackers look down upon those who aren't, but I've noticed that the "higher" I go the more likely it is that I run into more smug people. I'm not sure if it's always been this way or if it's just the ones I'm in. From what I've read though this isn't uncommon sadly.

What's death created a ripple effect for various reasons as I've gone over in other posts, but another phenomenon that I hadn't noticed at first was the jockeying for position that occurred when the new heir apparents were created. Everyone seemingly craves status, & the path of least resistance isn't always friendship but sometimes prestige. You're a "torrent celebrity" if you staff at another reputable tracker & that "fame" leads people to act funny. Let me postface this by saying I don't believe everyone's intentions are strictly for ascension, but the motives aren't all that ulterior if you pay attention to some of the conversations from those looking to rise.

All of that, plus the cliquey aspect of some of my trackers left me a little, jaded I guess. But I digress, let's get to the content. Sweet jesus the content. I had no idea that there were sites dedicated for almost everything you can imagine. If I want a VHS tape of Saturday cartoons from June 15th 1997? There's a tracker for that. If I want access to some super obscure D-List movie? There's a tracker for that. So on & so forth. It's great & almost everything I could ask for.

The way you guys have managed to automate it with things like Headphones, Sonarr, Jackett, etc. makes this a breeze. From a thread on /r/trackers one of the biggest reasons for pirating was ease of consumption. I get it; Spotify & Netflix still earn my money because of this reason too. When I learned I could seamlessly curate my own content with a Plex library - & how sophisticated it can get - my mind was blown. This in tandem with the wealth of content available is something I don't think any media company can surmount, at least not for a fair price. Then again, nothing beats free :piratetongue:

I'm a little saddened that I missed the private tracker heyday. Since I've started a LOT of trackers have bit the dust which is scary to be honest. I don't regret getting into this one bit though & I'm looking forward to future (I've even got some ideas myself :D). Thanks for reading.
 
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Know exactly what you mean, and I've had some extremely varying experiences with staffers.

I wouldn't say that in the higher echelons of trackers you go the more smug people are though, as I've had surprisingly pleasant experiences with some staffers at some of the highest trackers, sometimes even horrible and pleasant exchanges with different staffers at the same tracker, and horrible ones with staff at "lower" trackers, in general, GR2GR - Give Respect 2 Get Respect, I heard this term once and I think there's a lot of truth to it.

Nowadays, if it comes to community, man, TPS is THE place. And it's not even worth chatting on trackers, you often run the risk of breaking some rule if you speak up, or people posting are mostly dicks, I dunno if it's just me but I don't really see the value of posting on trackers much anymore. TPS ftw in that department. Just enjoy the files the trackers offer, click the thanks button and quietly seed away :)

The tracker heyday, well I wasn't around then, but look at what is here now mate. Fucking hell, I can't even store all the shit I love to get, it's such an overwhelming amount. Red announced it's nearing it's millionth upload, PTP has what, a million flicks?! And not even mentioning all the series available.... I never felt a pang of regret about having missed out then, it is what it is, and I don't think there's much, if anything, that isn't somewhere to be found that was uploaded then and went down later on.. A lot of respect for all the trackers organizing that shit like some pros, like it was said here, some of those sites are like the greatest repositories of stuff we've got.
 
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First of all, nice writing spacely spacely and thanks for sharing this with us.

I feel you. I think that I know exactly what you mean. To be honest, I think that what you're mentioning is something that (sadly) became part of almost every internet / technology community. There's even a name for that behavior, that I don't remember I heard this ~5 years ago, and today it's all over the place. Trolling.
Urban Dictionary defines this pretty good:
Being a prick on the internet because you can. Typically unleashing one or more cynical or sarcastic remarks on an innocent by-stander, because it's the internet and, hey, you can.
Now, my opinion on all this in the torrent community.
I generally agree with oklahomaboy oklahomaboy , "Give Respect To Get Respect" is true and I would like to emphasize that it is true for both sides. Both you to other users and other user to you, by other users I mean every single user no matter what "level" they are. If you give respect but don't get respect then I won't bother continuing the conversation, and if it's some support you need from the tracker's staff then I'd either try to talk with another staffer or just ignore this behavior, get what you need, and move on.

What you said about content and automation tools is totally right and I agree with every word. I myself just recently started using this whole Sonarr/Couchpotato/Plex combination and I just can't live without it anymore. :)
 
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Welcome to the world of e-peen :D
 
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Nowadays, if it comes to community, man, TPS is THE place. And it's not even worth chatting on trackers, you often run the risk of breaking some rule if you speak up, or people posting are mostly dicks, I dunno if it's just me but I don't really see the value of posting on trackers much anymore. TPS ftw in that department. Just enjoy the files the trackers offer, click the thanks button and quietly seed away :)
Totally agree with this. I kinda made the decision to post mostly here and similar forums and to minimize posting on tracker forums themselves. I don't particularly want to find out for myself which staff are OK and which are not, or discover some unwritten rule got broken. Nobody got banned for not posting on tracker forums, but plenty got banned for upsetting some over-zealous staff with something they posted. Folks might disagree with me, but I go to trackers for content and I value my accounts too much to risk them. We can speak freely here about whatever we want and people only get banned here for trading, having dupe accounts or being really egregious dickheads, and I don't risk falling into any of those categories :D
 
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+1 for only chatting on TPS

The thing I've noticed is that the chain of epeen follows the typical corporation setup. The worst people tend to be around middle management, FLS, devs and sysops are usually awesome. Either way, the only time i try to have any contact with staff is if im switching seedbox IPs. My sense of humor can get pretty dry and I don't want it costing me the ability to steal movies conveniently.
 
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Know exactly what you mean, and I've had some extremely varying experiences with staffers.

I wouldn't say that in the higher echelons of trackers you go the more smug people are though, as I've had surprisingly pleasant experiences with some staffers at some of the highest trackers, sometimes even horrible and pleasant exchanges with different staffers at the same tracker, and horrible ones with staff at "lower" trackers, in general, GR2GR - Give Respect 2 Get Respect, I heard this term once and I think there's a lot of truth to it.

Nowadays, if it comes to community, man, TPS is THE place. And it's not even worth chatting on trackers, you often run the risk of breaking some rule if you speak up, or people posting are mostly dicks, I dunno if it's just me but I don't really see the value of posting on trackers much anymore. TPS ftw in that department. Just enjoy the files the trackers offer, click the thanks button and quietly seed away :)

The tracker heyday, well I wasn't around then, but look at what is here now mate. Fucking hell, I can't even store all the shit I love to get, it's such an overwhelming amount. Red announced it's nearing it's millionth upload, PTP has what, a million flicks?! And not even mentioning all the series available.... I never felt a pang of regret about having missed out then, it is what it is, and I don't think there's much, if anything, that isn't somewhere to be found that was uploaded then and went down later on.. A lot of respect for all the trackers organizing that shit like some pros, like it was said here, some of those sites are like the greatest repositories of stuff we've got.
Yeah I guess I should've clarified. The staffers themselves have been (usually) respectful. It was more so the people trying to become staff that are the worst offenders. Much like you though I've lost my fervor for idling in IRC's & posting a bunch in the forums.

As far as the heyday goes I agree that there's still a TON we can get our hands on. It's just a little scary how centralized everything is becoming. For HD content there are a crap ton so no worries there, but we just recently lost a good tv tracker & most can't get gain access to the best. If that goes down we'll need another rebuild. This is less so for movie trackers but still there I think. I realize the hydra effect is real but the stamina required to keep going is what's on my mind. Not a huge concern, but something I think about.
 
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Lotta good stuff in this thread...interesting read. I have a "personal experience" comment on part of the following...

Totally agree with this. I kinda made the decision to post mostly here and similar forums and to minimize posting on tracker forums themselves. I don't particularly want to find out for myself which staff are OK and which are not, or discover some unwritten rule got broken. Nobody got banned for not posting on tracker forums, but plenty got banned for upsetting some over-zealous staff with something they posted. Folks might disagree with me, but I go to trackers for content and I value my accounts too much to risk them. We can speak freely here about whatever we want and people only get banned here for trading, having dupe accounts or being really egregious dickheads, and I don't risk falling into any of those categories :D
There are some 'mediocre' mid-level wannabees out there with varying levels of 'inactivity'.

One tracker in particular... Revival :: Home ...I had been a member for 4-5 years, I made sure I was logged in nearly every day, I made an occasional comment in shout when was someone I knew. Well 2 months ago I downloaded a file, have been seeding it ever since. Never have posted in their forums.
Well a few days ago, I tried visiting the site, tried logging in, and got the message that I was 'disabled due to inactivity'. I've since tried logging in again, to find my account is now deleted.

So, the point? Yes, you can be banned 'for not posting on tracker forums'. Side-note...some trackers are just run by dickheads who are full of themselves.

Guess I have been on a small 'rant', so...//END RANT// lol
 
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So, the point? Yes, you can be banned 'for not posting on tracker forums'.
I think most trackers count 'activity' as logging into the website, regardless of seeding activity. You don't need to post or do anything other than log in. (Some trackers have additional traffic requirements)
 
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I think most trackers count 'activity' as logging into the website, regardless of seeding activity. You don't need to post or do anything other than log in. (Some trackers have additional traffic requirements)
Yeah that's the normal approach. If you think about it, most trackers have thousands of members, I'm pretty sure I don't see thousands of people posting, same here actually.
 
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to find my account is now deleted.l
Given the fact you logged in so often, had been a member for so long and they still disabled/deleted your account, I wonder if they have stipulated in their rules what "inactivity" entails. If not posting once in half a decade, than you've broken a rule but that would be a strange rule, to say the least. I wonder what motivated them to disable you.

Having said that, there are also places where staff breaks their own rules. Accounts are up to the winds of their emotional state.
Each time you login it's a 50-50 chance. It's almost a game in itself really :) Every day brings a surprise.

Not a huge concern, but something I think about.
Ha! I've given that thoughts from time to time too, but in the grand scheme of things, there are some reasons why I just discarded the worry. First off, the sheer amount I've downloaded already. Realistically, it'll take at least ten years to go through it all. Second, there are truly so many people with the mindset of sharing is caring, that some way or another it will always be possible to find ways to download.
Can't hold a good pirate down. Third, despite the panic police, I don't believe trackers are going anywhere anytime soon. Sure, some of the bigger ones might go belly up or whatever, but new ones will come. You see Cortana Cortana posting like the crazy bitch she is, new trackers with open signups weekly if not daily? We're what, perhaps 100.000 peeps altogether? A blip on the radar, if that. And even if they close in, what good will thinking about it do? Got your point though, just don't worry bro, enjoy it while you can, nothing is permanent anyway.
 
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I usually try to avoid most private tracker forums because of this reason. Honestly these days I just get the content I want and seed. There are very few private tracker communities where I would feel comfortable just being myself. One of the best things about TPS is being able to discuss basically the same topics but without worrying about being banned from XYZ tracker. The other advantage is being able to participate without the IP constrictions of private trackers. This way I can see what's up while at work on mobile etc and still browse the forums and all that.

The automation thing really was amazing when I first discovered it about 2 years ago. I can't believe all the manual labor I was doing just to get TV shows and Movies to my TV. Now with Sonarr/CouchPotato/Plex its completely automated except when I need to add a new show/movie to my list.
 
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All private tracker staff are good, otherwise they would not have been appointed as staff. If some staff has irked you, it is because the staff was irked by some user.
 
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All private tracker staff are good, otherwise they would not have been appointed as staff.
All private tracker staff are people, with all the good & bad stuff that comes with that. Still, we wouldn't be here without them so it might be time to call for an international Tracker Staff Day! (or would that fall under 'Secretaries Day'?)
 
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All private tracker staff are good, otherwise they would not have been appointed as staff.
Yeah this is a little too utopian, not realistic at all unfortunately...
 
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All private tracker staff are good, otherwise they would not have been appointed as staff. If some staff has irked you, it is because the staff was irked by some user.
I used to think this too till I read up on it here and experienced some shit with some of them.
While most of them are pretty good, great or sometimes even friendly, there are always some that aren't.
 
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All private tracker staff are good, otherwise they would not have been appointed as staff. If some staff has irked you, it is because the staff was irked by some user.
Define good. Is there any definition of being a "good staff"?

Anyway I disagree, staff are humans. Those humans can do a great job on maintaining and contributing to a tracker but on the other hand they can be really unfriendly. Same goes the other way, some can be really nice, but they are doing nothing for the tracker. It really depends.
Yea I also believe that staff should be both, but that's the ideal case, in reality it can be a lot different.
 
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Define good. Is there any definition of being a "good staff"?

Anyway I disagree, staff are humans. Those humans can do a great job on maintaining and contributing to a tracker but on the other hand they can be really unfriendly. Same goes the other way, some can be really nice, but they are doing nothing for the tracker. It really depends.
Yea I also believe that staff should be both, but that's the ideal case, in reality it can be a lot different.
It's hard to be nice all the time when day in and day out you have to deal with people that are arguing about following a rule because it's dumb, complaining because that 400 GB pack is 15 minutes old and not seeded yet, or they uploaded some torrents so now you owe them everything and should bend to their will to make their life easier.

I will totally admit I am one of the grumpy fucks. If I'm talking to somebody and they are even half way polite I will be too. If they have an attitude after things are explained I will too. We do this for free and too many people act like they are paying customers. Gets a bit old after awhile.
 
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It's hard to be nice all the time when day in and day out you have to deal with people that are arguing about following a rule because it's dumb, complaining because that 400 GB pack is 15 minutes old and not seeded yet, or they uploaded some torrents so now you owe them everything and should bend to their will to make their life easier.

I will totally admit I am one of the grumpy fucks. If I'm talking to somebody and they are even half way polite I will be too. If they have an attitude after things are explained I will too. We do this for free and too many people act like they are paying customers. Gets a bit old after awhile.
I totally agree with you, and thanks for your comment!

On my first comment in this thread I mentioned exactly that:
"Give Respect To Get Respect" is true and I would like to emphasize that it is true for both sides. Both you to other users and other user to you, by other users I mean every single user no matter what "level" they are.
And yea, I do agree that the base case when some user is asking for some help from staff, they at least be respectful, and yea, they should understand that it is not like a support service they are paying for! And donation does not count, that's why they are called donations. :)

Thanks again RedundantUser RedundantUser , appreciate your comment.
 
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We do this for free and too many people act like they are paying customers. Gets a bit old after awhile.
I don't really agree with this line of thinking. I know there are a ton of users out there, me being one, that dedicate a lot of time and effort into sites they frequent, either via time spent uploading and curating, or regularly donating, or encoding, or buying seedboxes to permaseed massive amounts of content. There are plenty of users that put in more to a site than some of it's staff even. Like (most) staff, they also do it for free.

That being said, just being grumpy doesnt put you in the category of bad staff. Being rude back to rude people is being human. Giving rude responses to genuine inquiries by default or banning/warning people like its your hobby is being a power tripping asshole. EMP isnt like that from my experience but we all know some trackers that are.

I remember a situation from my earlier torrent days where I sent a staff member a polite pm about some rule clarification because it was worded vaguely in the rules and I waited almost a month for a response because they hardly ever logged in. During that time I ended up uploading over 100 torrents manually, spending almost all my free time on improving the site's tiny catalog. When I finally got a response they threatened me a with a ban for asking a question that was "answered in the rules". I quoted the actual rule in my pm when I asked for clarification btw. They also didn't clarify the rule that was written in broken as fuck engrish, just provided the threat.

I know for a fact I contributed more to the site then that useless fuck staff member based purely on time logged in, and what did I get in return? A nice big condescending fuckyou for my efforts. I even calculated how much money I would have made had I spent those hours getting overtime at work instead of uploading, it was just over $3000. Sure I'm not a paying customer per say, but I did sacrifice potential money for the cause. The icing on the cake was that he/she hit and run on a couple of my uploads right before sending me the threatening pm. Yet I'm supposed to swallow the misconception that staff are the providers and users are just consumers?

I deleted the torrents I uploaded and then deleted the bookmark for the site from my browser. Not gonna be part of a site that relies on users not having any dignity for their growth model. These days, a tracker has to prove it's worthiness to me before I spend any significant time contributing to it, with a big factor being the mannerisms of the staff.

It's hard to be nice all the time when day in and day out you have to deal with
Why continue doing something that frustrates you this much every day? I'm not trying to be a smartass, I genuinely want to know what keeps you from leaving if its really that awful. I hear staff complaining about being staff all the time and I dont get it. This isnt just directed at you RedundantUser RedundantUser , I welcome all staff to answer this since it seems to me that its at the root of the reasons why some staff treat users unfairly. If you log in and immediately scowl as you look at your inbox why keep doing it?
 
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