2 Mini-Articles: 1) If you invited a bad user 2) Are you a collector

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I really don't understand either of these.

Trader- it is a lot of work to get into good trackers. Surely a real job would be a far better source of income.
You are likely looking at this from the viewpoint of someone living in a developed western economy where we can easily earn over 100$ per day. In many developing countries the ability to earn money is much more limited. To me selling an account for as much as 300$ (or whatever the most expensive tracker is going for these days) isn't that appealing. I can earn that much money without too much trouble, and it wouldn't be worth risking all my accounts for that little benefit. Now if you think of it from someone who lives in an area where the average worker makes only a few dollars per day then that 300$ could be the equivalent of a month or more of wages. Then selling an account becomes much more tempting.
 

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I really don't understand either of these.

Trader- it is a lot of work to get into good trackers. Surely a real job would be a far better source of income.

Collector- I was accused of being a collector before and I think many people new to private trackers can look as such. The accusation did annoy me as I put a great deal up time into uploading, building my ratio and class promotions. I wanted access to all types of older and new movies so I needed around 4 trackers (CG, Tik, KG + a general movie tracker) after I read that better trackers have better encodes ect. I also need trackers for games, ebook, porn, ect. That being said I seed on all and upload content if I can. What is the point of having a tracker with no buffer? Yah, I have this super 1334 tracker but I can't download anything from it.
If you spend a long time uploading, downloading and getting promoted at a tracker, absolutely no one can accuse you of being a collector at tha tracker. This doesn't even make sense. Now if you joined 4 different scene tracker and was lightly active at all 4, someone might question that. It's probably better to pick a favorite and use that one, as scene trackers pretty much have the same torrents on them. (Exception is if you are there for the community. But this means you are active in their IRC and /or forums.) If you are interested in a tracker because you want the better encodes, again you're not a collector. A collector just wants to get into that tracker because it'e "1337" and somehow feels the prestige of being a member there. (while doing the absolute minimum there to keep his account alive)

Re: real job giving more income than invite selling. That is why invite trading and selling seem to be more prominent amongst users from poorer countries. ;)
 

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I do not consider myself a collector but I am in a lot of trackers. From what I have seen, at least in my own experience, the real exclusive (5000 user limit cap places) for the most part have not been worth getting into as much as I wish they were. I read a review and see people talking about them, get inside and am instantly disappointed. There is exceptions to this here and there.. Just my 2 cents. One reason I like to have a lot of trackers is for backups and when you want something a bit older, rarer, sometimes having all those sites comes in handy.
 

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I think the term collector is thrown around by the inexperienced incorrectly. I have seen people that were members of 30 trackers. First instinct is to call them collectors! No one can be active on 30 sites....or can they. Yes I have seen such people, they live, breath and eat bittorrents. They cycle through them like its some kind of game and are active in almost all of them. Very rare, but someone like that is not a collector, he is in fact doing a lot more than the minimum to stay enabled.

Then I see people that are in 10 sites, not a lot when you consider niche trackers. Yet they are not even power user in any of them, hardly any activity. These guys are collectors. Then you have the hybrids. They have around 15-20 sites and are very active in 1-2, possibly 3-4, the rest they build up ratios on there and thats about it. The reason they do this is to have a large selection of sites they can snag stuff from. Personally I wouldn't call them collectors either as their purpose is not to simply be at site X. They intend to grab stuff from there when they can't find it elsewhere. Almost every tracker has little nuggets of goodness no other has.

You will value these people immensely if you happen to be a member of a site that uses the request system. How do u think people find shit for u? Its these guys that belong to a zillion trackers and can find anything u ask for! Without these guys a sites request system will be shit.

In summary, to me a collector is someone who joins a site for nothing else but to say he is there. Minimal forum posting, and tracker activity. Just idles in IRC never talks. These are collectors to me! Hell if i have a member that does nothing but talk in IRC, as far as i am concerned he isn't a collector. He is adding value to a single part of my site, which is the community based IRC. So yea, I admit I call a lot of people collectors as a joke. Its to make fun of people that misuse the term and usually experienced torrenters get the joke.
 
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Just lame excuses for being a collector yourself.
lol, perhaps i could be called a collector. However all my sites i joined initially I was very active in. Some I just kinda stopped using. so they just sit there. Only to be used when i can't find what i want on my active sites. Which raises another interesting question.

If you keep old sites u no longer use but were once active on, are you then a collector for holding onto them?
 

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Question: I have a couple tracker accounts that friends invited me to that I never ended up really using, I've been keeping them enabled in case I ever need them but would it be proper etiquette to let them expire instead?

None of them are on sites that are near their invite cap
 

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lol, perhaps i could be called a collector. However all my sites i joined initially I was very active in. Some I just kinda stopped using. so they just sit there. Only to be used when i can't find what i want on my active sites. Which raises another interesting question.

If you keep old sites u no longer use but were once active on, are you then a collector for holding onto them?
Question: I have a couple tracker accounts that friends invited me to that I never ended up really using, I've been keeping them enabled in case I ever need them but would it be proper etiquette to let them expire instead?

None of them are on sites that are near their invite cap
My opinion on both of these is if it's a site that is at its cap then it should be let go. If it's a site that has room then keep it.
 
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1. May I have a copy of that excel doc?

2. What is the problem with ratioless or asking for a minimum seed time?
1. Toward what use?
2. The way I see it, if tracker does not have any or good long term retention plan (ranks, points, strong community etc...)...than the problem with min 24h seeding time is that after a few weeks something got out, no one will seed it anymore.
 

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1. Toward what use?
2. The way I see it, if tracker does not have any or good long term retention plan (ranks, points, strong community etc...)...than the problem with min 24h seeding time is that after a few weeks something got out, no one will seed it anymore.
1. Curiosity & personal use (obviously, I would not want any of your personal info in there).

2. I was just curious what the thinking was. I understand what you are saying. So, for a site like TSH, they are ratioless... I believe that they have only select torrents more than a few months old. You are saying that the difference between a site like BTN & TSH is a "good long term retention plan (ranks, points, strong community etc...)." I think that makes sense. Certainly, being niche helps.
 

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2. The way I see it, if tracker does not have any or good long term retention plan (ranks, points, strong community etc...)...than the problem with min 24h seeding time is that after a few weeks something got out, no one will seed it anymore.
I really don't think minimum seed times make a difference unless you make them weeks. 72 hours really isn't that long for a minimum seed time and I haven't seen any sites go longer than that. I do agree that ratioless often spells poor retention. BTN has solved that problem by adding bonus points which increase exponentially with long term seeding and are required for advancement. Without that system I doubt they'd have the retention they do.

Edit - SCC really had nothing to do with this conversation so I removed that and altered my response accordingly
 
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1. Curiosity & personal use (obviously, I would not want any of your personal info in there).

2. I was just curious what the thinking was. I understand what you are saying. So, for a site like TSH, they are ratioless... I believe that they have only select torrents more than a few months old. You are saying that the difference between a site like BTN & TSH is a "good long term retention plan (ranks, points, strong community etc...)." I think that makes sense. Certainly, being niche helps.
1. I would need to make more order for it to be useful for sharing. And even then I doubt it would be much useful at all, because like i said I was making it from very different sources that were usually just personal opinions of some random people on random Forums like Reddit, etc.
The first idea of it was to note down on which trackers could I found FL TV packs and WEB-DL releases ('smaller' sizes), but I got soon overwhelmed by all the data, because at one point I started to note down many more details like numbers of active torrents, minimum seeding times/ratios, which release groups include subtitles in their releases etc...and also got lazy at it...because I started devoting more and more energy towards uploading...so it's kinda half finished thing, which mostly serves to track down my passwords now. :) :pirateswhistle:

But I am always happy to answer any question in a way what is my opinion about anything above related. As long as You don't expect me to produce a sortable spreadsheet by different criteria. I was at the beginning very interested to create one, but learned on the way, that that could actually be something that trackers (for different reasons) wouldn't be very fond off, so even If would finish it, I wouldn't be able to share it with community, which kinda demotivated me.

There is however a thing called a Private Tracker Flow Chart (v3) out there, which could give some idea, what are more popular trackers out there. If U are just starting with PT world...
Not sure if it is published here at TPS or even if it is allowed here by the Rules, etc. :book:

2. Yeah, TSH is a beautiful site with a beautiful Staff, energy and all that. I really wish for them to prove me wrong and really look forward that in a year or two down the road my first thing when searching for an app would be a ratioless tracker.:pirategun:
 
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here is however a thing called a Private Tracker Flow Chart (v3) out there, which could give some idea, what are more popular trackers out there. If U are just starting with PT world...
Not sure if it is published here at TPS or even if it is allowed here by the Rules, etc.
It's allowed by the rules and there is an existing discussion thread about it here - https://www.thepiratesociety.org/threads/do-you-use-agree-with-the-pirate-tracker-flow-chart.130329
(it's been discussed before but this is the most recent thread)
 
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I think a lot of people are unfairly labeled collectors, simply based off the number of trackers they own. If you are able to keep up with 30 different trackers, like dakka dakka mentioned, you are not a collector. It's simply not wise to draw a line on the recommended number of trackers you may own, and the moment you step over that line, you are now a collector. Each case should be judged individually, and if you make a contribution to a tracker, no matter how small, over a sustained period of time, you are a valued member of the particular community.
 

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You are likely looking at this from the viewpoint of someone living in a developed western economy where we can easily earn over 100$ per day. In many developing countries the ability to earn money is much more limited. To me selling an account for as much as 300$ (or whatever the most expensive tracker is going for these days) isn't that appealing. I can earn that much money without too much trouble, and it wouldn't be worth risking all my accounts for that little benefit. Now if you think of it from someone who lives in an area where the average worker makes only a few dollars per day then that 300$ could be the equivalent of a month or more of wages. Then selling an account becomes much more tempting.
Having travelled extensively and lived in these countries it is not that simple. In order to get invites you typically need to get to PU/PU+.
This requires considerable HDD space as well as a RELIABLE and relatively fast internet connection. Their is a reason why internet cafes are so common in these countries. Most do not have a decent computer and broadband at home. Running a computer cost internet which may be pay as you go as well as electricity to run 24/7. It takes months and months to reach higher level trackers. Given the risk that if caught they can lose their entire network of accounts as well as getting their IP address blocked it is not a very viable or reliable source of income.

Mining gold in WOW seems a safer bet.
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I think a lot of people are unfairly labeled collectors, simply based off the number of trackers they own. If you are able to keep up with 30 different trackers, like dakka dakka mentioned, you are not a collector. It's simply not wise to draw a line on the recommended number of trackers you may own, and the moment you step over that line, you are now a collector. Each case should be judged individually, and if you make a contribution to a tracker, no matter how small, over a sustained period of time, you are a valued member of the particular community.
I agree, it's easy to use 10 trackers, none of which are "back-ups" music, games, TV shows, ebook, learning, a few movie trackers for different genre, general, porn, another hobby specific tracker.
 
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Unless you never log in and download or upload content from a tracker, you cannot be a collector even if you are a member of a few trackers with similar type of content.

Part of the reason is that you might be looking for certain releases which tend to be scattered around many places and you want to pick them all. Let's not forget that not all trackers are easy as 1-2-3 to join.
 
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I am a member of such sites and my feeling is to carefully select somebody who will really enjoy the new tracker they are joining.

If they are already Elite or PU on some reputable tracker, then they don't need my invites. They can use the official recruit threads.

It's more rewarding to invite somebody who couldn't get an invite any other way, but who has proven himself/herself on a more basic tracker, or by passion and expertise for films, music or whatever.

I once made a mistake and invited a guy who said all the right things, and was also countryman of me.
He had insanely fast home connection which I confirmed, he knew the tracker scene, he had access to obscure material that he could upload to build a ratio.
-So what does the guy do after I invite him?
-Use some ratio-cheater tool and instantly gets himself banned, and my invites disabled!

Took over a year until I felt brave enough to ask for them back.

Unless you never log in and download or upload content from a tracker, you cannot be a collector even if you are a member of a few trackers with similar type of content.
Well, maybe so. But for any reasonably sought-after tracker, I'm not interested in wasting my invites on somebody who's only going to log in often enough not to be disabled, and who snatches a couple of torrents a year at most. I want to invite people who are really interested in what the tracker has to offer. Those who just want a "backup" or full hand can get their invites from someone else.
 
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As for the ''bad user'' part,thanks for the heads up, i really wanted an idea on how to handle such situations,gonna follow advice for any future reference.

as for the ''collector'' part,if you are to invite someone,if its not your personal friend,why dont ya spend some time first to get to know him and see ''whats he is made of''.You surely can,in a way,distinguish a good user from a ''heavy'' collector.Collecting is bad for torrent community.Think that you take the place from a user who is actually gonna use the site(especially in a number of places where there is a small user limit)

Just dont be selfish guys,there is already enough selfishness and greediness in the world.Just take what you need and use it,no more than that.Its bad for others.
 
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